Ronda Rousey Is Finished

[billybobjoe]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

Honda needs a new everything

I bet cat or pena beats honda

[Krucial Thirteen]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

lmao why didnt she do all that shoot crap vs holly holm? oh i forgot, soon as she did she got countered and rocked. news flash, mayweather is the greatest counter puncher on the planet/greatest hands of all time. are u kidding?
me and roddy aint even that cool and we still keepin it 100.
i see ur point, if ronda wouldve atleast dropped nunes or holm, but she got SCRAPED!!(totally beat up). u cant shoot for takedowns when your opponent is waiting for that.
manny pacquiao barely touched floyd and he has the Fastest hands in the world lol

[Moose]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

lmao why didnt she do all that shoot crap vs holly holm? oh i forgot, soon as she did she got countered and rocked. news flash, mayweather is the greatest counter puncher on the planet/greatest hands of all time. are u kidding?
me and roddy aint even that cool and we still keepin it 100.
i see ur point, if ronda wouldve atleast dropped nunes or holm, but she got SCRAPED!!(totally beat up). u cant shoot for takedowns when your opponent is waiting for that.
manny pacquiao barely touched floyd and he has the Fastest hands in the world lol

No, she didn't. She rushed Holly and tried to strike with her. She committed to 1 take down after she was already rocked.

Mayweather greatest hands of all time is a joke. He's a great defensive fighter, I wouldn't even say he's the best counter puncher. He's good at not getting hit.

You can shoot for a takedown when your opponent is waiting for it. I don't know, have you seen combat sports outside of boxing? You think in Judo, wrestling, bjj, they don't know their opponent is going for a takedown? Then proceed to get taken down?

Superiority in grappling, retard. Look at GSP, everyone knew GSP was going to take them down. Did GSP take them down? Of course he did.

You're not keeping it real, you're talking about something you obviously don't know about. You think James Toney didn't know Randy Couture was going to take him down? What happened? Did that magically help Toney defend the takedowns?

[Krucial Thirteen]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

lmao why didnt she do all that shoot crap vs holly holm? oh i forgot, soon as she did she got countered and rocked. news flash, mayweather is the greatest counter puncher on the planet/greatest hands of all time. are u kidding?
me and roddy aint even that cool and we still keepin it 100.
i see ur point, if ronda wouldve atleast dropped nunes or holm, but she got SCRAPED!!(totally beat up). u cant shoot for takedowns when your opponent is waiting for that.
manny pacquiao barely touched floyd and he has the Fastest hands in the world lol

No, she didn't. She rushed Holly and tried to strike with her. She committed to 1 take down after she was already rocked.

Mayweather greatest hands of all time is a joke. He's a great defensive fighter, I wouldn't even say he's the best counter puncher. He's good at not getting hit.

You can shoot for a takedown when your opponent is waiting for it. I don't know, have you seen combat sports outside of boxing? You think in Judo, wrestling, bjj, they don't know their opponent is going for a takedown? Then proceed to get taken down?

Superiority in grappling, retard. Look at GSP, everyone knew GSP was going to take them down. Did GSP take them down? Of course he did.

You're not keeping it real, you're talking about something you obviously don't know about. You think James Toney didn't know Randy Couture was going to take him down? What happened? Did that magically help Toney defend the takedowns?

james toney? fat ass james toney? i can counter that with ray mercer, but even thats stupid. u are talking about a female, not no gsp.
and u wont find many counter punchers better than floyd. man u need better pieces than that lmao, aint no way holly holm(a woman boxer) is better than floyd. and she waxed ronda. im talking bout holm because thats almost irrefutable proof that ronda dies vs ANY kind of boxer/striker

[Krucial Thirteen]

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and connor mcgregor is the only guy whos comparable and thats ONLY because hes mainly a striker ,and pretty good too. he beats up Ufc fighters with the hands, another indicator that ppl with hands can have success in ufc-with a bit of defense

[thuperman]

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Lol Floyd doesn't come close to having the best hands of all time. Best defensive fighter, probably yes...and had a good streak

More impressive streaks are:

1) Harry Greb – 78-0-2 in 2.5 years (1917-1920), 32 fights a year

In the year 1919 alone, Harry Greb went 49-0, surpassing Floyd’s record that he carefully and selectively accumulated over 18 years. And Greb wasn’t fighting a Bum of the Month Club like Floyd has for most of his career. He defeated Willie Meehan, famous for defeating Jack Dempsey twice, Billy Miske, Bill Brennan, Tommy Gibbons, and Gunboat Smith. All of these men were the best of the best, and simply because they are not famous names like De La Hoya or Cotto does not mean that they lack in substance. Keep in mind that we are only examining the undefeated streak of Greb’s career, so this does not include his battles with the likes of Tiger Flowers and Gene Tunney. Even when disregarding the latter two opponents, his 3-year streak alone is of higher quality than Mayweather’s entire 18-year career.

2) Marcel Cerdan – 107-2 (both losses were DQs) in 14 years (1934-1948), almost 8 fights a year

Cerdan beat Holman Williams in this time, a man who defeated a prime Archie Moore. He defeated many other lesser-known contenders, but they carried more substance than name value, which is more than can be said about Mayweather’s opposition. In four less years than Mayweather, he had more than double the amount of fights.

3) Henry Armstrong – 56-1 (the one loss was a DQ) in 3 years (1936-1939), 19 fights a year

In this streak, Armstrong defeated Petey Sarron to win the only title available in the featherweight division, making himself the true champion. In these days, belt holders like Ortiz and Guerrero did not have the opportunity to falsely call themselves champions. There was only one belt, and if you held it, you were truly the best fighter in the division, and the only champion.

In the same time span, he defeated Ceferino Garcia for the welterweight title, and defended it several times. He defeated the likes of Lou Ambers and Barney Ross, among others, in this streak. In only three years he won titles from 126 to 147, which is 3 classes by those days’ standards, and 5 by today’s. In his entire 18-year career Mayweather has only fought in 5 divisions by today’s standards, due to the addition of super/junior weight classes. In 15 less years than Mayweather, Armstrong climbed as many weight classes and fought 11 more fights.

4) Joe Louis, 34-0 in 12 years (1936-1948), almost 3 fights a year

Out of those 34 fights, 25 of them were title fights. And by title fight, I don’t mean fighting an opponent who holds on to a meaningless belt like Canelo or Ortiz. In Louis’ day, there was only one belt in each class, and only one champion. If you held the title, you were a true champion, not a belt holder like Corrales or Hatton. Think about that for a second. In 11 years, Louis had 25 title fights, and Mayweather only has 46 total fights in 18 years. In SEVEN less years, Joe Louis had more than half as many TITLE fights as Floyd has TOTAL fights.

Before the title, Louis beat the former heavyweight champion Jack Sharkey. He then took the title from Jim Braddock. From there, he avenged his only loss at the time by knocking out Max Schmeling in one round. He also knocked out one of the greatest light heavyweights of all time in Billy Conn, and he did it twice. After a highly disputed decision against one of the greatest pound for pound boxers of all time in Jersey Joe Walcott (while Floyd needed a disputed decision against someone like Castillo), Louis ended up knocking out Walcott in the rematch. This is a perfect example of quality over quantity. Actually, Louis’ record also surpasses Mayweather in quantity, so either way Floyd’s record is destroyed by comparison.

5) Willie Pep, 73-0-1 in 5 years (1943-1948), almost 15 fights a year

In addition to this run, Willie Pep also has a 62-fight win streak. The 74 fight run is full of much more top-level opposition, however. An incredible side note is that Pep suffered injuries in a plane crash in January of 1947. He was told he might not box ever again. Six months later, he was back in the ring and did not lose until over a year later. Meanwhile, Mayweather decided to take an 18 month vacation despite having no serious injuries.

In this run, he defeated two featherweight champions, Sal Bartolo and Chalky Wright, three times apiece. As always, this is when there was only one undisputed champion in each class, magnifying the value of beating a champion. On top of that, he beat top contenders such as Jackie Wilson who have unfortunately been forgotten over the years, making people not realize how great Pep truly was. In only five years, Pep fought 28 more times than Mayweather has in 18, and that’s even with serious injuries sustained from a plane crash.

6a) Sugar Ray Robinson’s first streak, 40-0 in 2 years (1940-1942), 20 fights a year

Walker Smith Jr., Better known as Sugar Ray Robinson, started off his career 40-0. In the first two years of his career he fought almost as many times as Floyd has in 18 years. I am sure many will be quick to falsely claim that Ray Robinson was fighting bums, but that is far from the truth. In his 21st fight, Robinson defeated the lightweight champion Sammy Angott. Again, this was an era where only one belt was available per class, making Angott a legitimate champion rather than a belt holder. Angott would become the first man to defeat Willie Pep, in Willie Pep’s 63rd fight.

A few fights later, Robinson defeated Fritzie Zivic in two consecutive matches. Zivic defeated the likes of Henry Armstrong, listed by many as the second-greatest fighter of all time behind Robinson. Zivic also defeated Charley Burley and Sammy Angott. People who have done their research will understand how great this list of wins is, and the high quality of fighter that Zivic was.

Shortly after that, Robinson came in as a welterweight against one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Jake Lamotta, and defeated him. Robinson started his career at lightweight, and within two years and 40 fights he was already defeating middleweights. Floyd Mayweather also started as a lightweight, but in 18 years and 46 fights he has not fought one middleweight. In two years Robinson accomplished 100 times as much as Mayweather has in 18. That is not a bad thing; it’s just that Robinson is so far ahead of all the truly great fighters, that there is no way a simply good fighter like Mayweather can look good by comparison.

6b) Sugar Ray Robinson’s second streak, 89-0-2 (1 NC) in 8 years (1943-1951), 11.5 fights a year

In this streak, Robinson defeated the much bigger Jake Lamotta four times, a past prime but still good Henry Armstrong, Sammy Angott, George Costner (who defeated the great Ike Williams), Charley Fusari, Bobo Olson, Jose Basora, Kid Gavilan, and a whole list of extremely high quality fighters that would take several lines to list. For Robinson to not lose even once against the greatest competition in boxing history for almost 12 years and 92 fights is just mind-boggling. And we have not even examined the remainder of Robinson’s career. In 11 years, Robinson fought 131 times and only lost once, to a much bigger boxer, the all-time great middleweight Jake Lamotta. To remove any doubt as to who was the better boxer, Robinson decisively defeated Lamotta 5 times. Mayweather lost to a simply solid boxer, an opponent of his own size in Castillo, and only avenged the defeat once.

7) Muhammad Ali, 31-0 in 10 years (1960-1967, and returned in 1970 after a three year suspension), 3 fights a year

Even with a three-year suspension, Muhammad Ali was more active than Mayweathers 2.5 fights a year in 18 years. That is inexcusable. In thirty fights, Ali defeated one of the most dangerous heavyweight champions of all time in Sonny Liston (the second fight may have been suspicious, but Ali was easily winning the first) and the previous champion in Floyd Patterson. Immediately after his 3-year layoff, he took on the top contenders in Jerry Quarry, and Oscar Bonavena. Mayweather after an 18-month vacation decided to have Marquez move up two weight classes, on top of missing weight, before returning to boxing. These 30 fights alone surpass Mayweather’s low quality resume of 18 years, and we have barely entered the halfway point of Ali’s career.

8) George Foreman, 40-0 in 5 years (1969-1974), 8 fights a year

Foreman only has two impressive wins at this stage of his career, but they are far greater than any of the wins on Mayweather’s record. He became the only man to knock out a prime Joe Frazier coming off of handing Ali his first loss. He also knocked out Ken Norton, immediately after Norton had gone 1-1 against Ali, losing the second fight in an extremely razor thin decision. Neither man went past the second round. In 5 years Foreman fought two elite fighters in their prime, the caliber of which Mayweather has never come close to facing in 18 years.

9) Roberto Duran, 41-0 in 7 years (1973-1980), almost 6 fights a year

In this streak, Duran added to his lightweight run to put together arguably the greatest lightweight streak of all time. He defeated Esteban de Jesus in two knockouts after losing to him in an upset earlier. He moved up two weight classes and defeated a very underrated welterweight in Carlos Palomino. From there, he defeated one of the top 3 welterweights of all time in his prime, the undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard. Meanwhile, Floyd only moved up one weight class to fight a washed up Miguel Cotto. And unlike Cotto after the Mayweather fight, Ray Leonard didn’t lose for a long time after his fights with Duran. In 18 years, Mayweather only has 7 more fights than Duran accumulated in 7 years, and against much lower quality competition.

10) Marvin Hagler, 35-0-1 in 10 years (1976-1986), 3.6 fights a year

Marvin Hagler started his run by defeating Willie Monroe, the only man to beat him unanimously, in two stoppages. He also defeated an underrated opponent in Bennie Briscoe. Briscoe had fought Carlos Monzon to a draw, and nearly knocked out Monzon in a rematch for the middleweight title before losing the decision. Hagler also stopped Bobby Watts, who had controversially defeated Hagler to hand him his first loss.

Hagler’s draw against Antuofermo was controversial, as many felt Hagler won, but he removed all doubt when he stopped Antuofermo in the rematch. Hagler also defeated a very underrated opponent in Mustafa Hamsho. In between his two losses to Hagler, Hamsho defeated Wilfred Benitez, and is one of the reasons Benitez’s career spiraled downward shortly after.

Hagler’s biggest wins are his war against Thomas Hearns and his decision against Roberto Duran. These men were moving up in weight, but they went on to fight at even higher weights than Hagler, showing that the disparity in weight was not as great as many think. They only moved up one weight class (154 to 160), not two classes like Marquez did against Mayweather, and Hagler actually made weight for those fights.

Hagler’s streak ended with a highly disputed decision against the great Sugar Ray Leonard, in a fight that is still debated to this day. Floyd, meanwhile, was gifted a disputed decision against a much lower quality opponent in Jose Luis Castillo, in a fight that is not even debatable.

11) Pernell Whitaker – 40-2-1 (both losses and the draw were the results of terrible decisions, meaning Whitaker did not truly lose by that point) in 13 yrs (1984-1997), 3.3 fights a year

Pernell Whitaker’s first “loss” to Ramirez was a robbery decision, and he proved it in the rematch in an easy decision. Whitaker defeated Greg Haugen, Azumah Nelson, was robbed after dominating Julio Cesar Chavez, and defeated Julio Cesar Vasquez (who had just beaten Winky Wright). While a prime Mayweather was fighting a past prime Oscar De La Hoya, (1-3 in his last 4 including the Sturm robbery) a past prime Pernell Whitaker clearly defeated a prime Oscar De La Hoya only for the judges to rob him.

12) James Toney – 44-0-2 in 6 years (1988-1994), over 7 fights a year

James Toney defeated a prime Mike McCallum and stopped the undefeated and underrated Michael Nunn. Nunn was coming off of wins against Sumbu Kalambay and Iran Barkley. Toney also defeated Barkley before losing to one of the greatest modern fighters in Roy Jones, Jr. Toney’s accomplishments after his streak, such as defeating McCallum again on top of his success at heavyweight, being a former middleweight, surpass Floyd’s career easily.

13) Roy Jones, Jr. 49-1 (the one loss was a DQ) in 14 years (1989-2003), 3.6 fights a year

While Mayweather was using his shoulder as an excuse for his loss to Castillo, Roy Jones was too busy beating Bernard Hopkins with a broken right hand. Jones went on to beat the undefeated James Toney, Mike McCallum, avenge his DQ vs the underrated Montell Griffin (coming off two closely contested decisions against James Toney) by a first round KO, Virgil Hill, Eric Harding, Julio Cesar Gonzalez (who went on to defeat (Dariusz Michalczewski) moved up to heavyweight to beat John Ruiz despite starting his career at 154, and even after being washed up due to weight draining, was able to defeat Antonio Tarver in a decision.

After only comparing fighters on the basis of unbeaten streaks, ignoring that there is much more to a great boxer than having a high W-L ratio, we see that on the basis of Mayweather’s own logic there is no way he can consider himself one of the best. A man who fights very undersized, past prime, unproven boxers, paper champions, belt holders, and weak competition over the course of 18 years and only 49 fights to show for it isn’t the definition of greatness. Mayweather has some work to do if he wants to be one of the top 50 fighters in history. The name Floyd Mayweather does not fit in with the likes of Langford, Frazier, Hearns, Leonard, Walcott, Moore, Holyfield, Charles, Hopkins, Lewis, Flowers, Gans, Griffith, Napoles, Monzon, Lamotta, Tunney, Dempsey, Holmes, Fitzsimmons, Gavilan, Olson, Turpin, Angott, Wills, Ike Williams, Saddler and many many more.

[Moose]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

lmao why didnt she do all that shoot crap vs holly holm? oh i forgot, soon as she did she got countered and rocked. news flash, mayweather is the greatest counter puncher on the planet/greatest hands of all time. are u kidding?
me and roddy aint even that cool and we still keepin it 100.
i see ur point, if ronda wouldve atleast dropped nunes or holm, but she got SCRAPED!!(totally beat up). u cant shoot for takedowns when your opponent is waiting for that.
manny pacquiao barely touched floyd and he has the Fastest hands in the world lol

No, she didn't. She rushed Holly and tried to strike with her. She committed to 1 take down after she was already rocked.

Mayweather greatest hands of all time is a joke. He's a great defensive fighter, I wouldn't even say he's the best counter puncher. He's good at not getting hit.

You can shoot for a takedown when your opponent is waiting for it. I don't know, have you seen combat sports outside of boxing? You think in Judo, wrestling, bjj, they don't know their opponent is going for a takedown? Then proceed to get taken down?

Superiority in grappling, retard. Look at GSP, everyone knew GSP was going to take them down. Did GSP take them down? Of course he did.

You're not keeping it real, you're talking about something you obviously don't know about. You think James Toney didn't know Randy Couture was going to take him down? What happened? Did that magically help Toney defend the takedowns?

james toney? fat ass james toney? i can counter that with ray mercer, but even thats stupid. u are talking about a female, not no gsp.
and u wont find many counter punchers better than floyd. man u need better pieces than that lmao, aint no way holly holm(a woman boxer) is better than floyd. and she waxed ronda. im talking bout holm because thats almost irrefutable proof that ronda dies vs ANY kind of boxer/striker

It's not who that matters. You said you can't shoot on your opponents if they're waiting for that. That's 100% not true. I gave you an example in GSP. You want an example of Ronda doing it? She won all her early fights by arm bar. He opponents knew it was coming, shouldn't they have been able to stop it?

I didn't say you'll find x amount of fighters with better counter punching than Floyd. It's laughable that you're saying definitively he's the best.

I can show you many videos of Ronda tossing men. Can you show me videos of Floyd defending a takedown? Leg kicks? Submissions?

You're giving Floyd one path to victory, that's fine. I get it. Ronda has more tools, with many different ways to win. Could she get knocked out? Sure. Could she take Floyd down and submit him? Sure.

You're missing the point of everything I say. I gave you James Toney as an example, he knew Randy was going to take him down. With your logic he should have stopped that takedown, because he knew it was coming.

It's not about the who or when. It's simply disproving that logic. I gave you an example of multiple sports that would prove that to be false, yet you argued James Toney was fat.

[Moose]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

Honda needs a new everything

I bet cat or pena beats honda

Pena would be a perfect return match for Ronda if she ever got the belt. Perfect matchup for Ronda.

I'd take Zingano in a rematch, now that she's seen Ronda can't take a punch.

Cat fucks Nunes up 10/10 times.

[Krucial Thirteen]

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Lol Floyd doesn't come close to having the best hands of all time. Best defensive fighter, probably yes...and had a good streak

More impressive streaks are:

1) Harry Greb – 78-0-2 in 2.5 years (1917-1920), 32 fights a year

In the year 1919 alone, Harry Greb went 49-0, surpassing Floyd’s record that he carefully and selectively accumulated over 18 years. And Greb wasn’t fighting a Bum of the Month Club like Floyd has for most of his career. He defeated Willie Meehan, famous for defeating Jack Dempsey twice, Billy Miske, Bill Brennan, Tommy Gibbons, and Gunboat Smith. All of these men were the best of the best, and simply because they are not famous names like De La Hoya or Cotto does not mean that they lack in substance. Keep in mind that we are only examining the undefeated streak of Greb’s career, so this does not include his battles with the likes of Tiger Flowers and Gene Tunney. Even when disregarding the latter two opponents, his 3-year streak alone is of higher quality than Mayweather’s entire 18-year career.

2) Marcel Cerdan – 107-2 (both losses were DQs) in 14 years (1934-1948), almost 8 fights a year

Cerdan beat Holman Williams in this time, a man who defeated a prime Archie Moore. He defeated many other lesser-known contenders, but they carried more substance than name value, which is more than can be said about Mayweather’s opposition. In four less years than Mayweather, he had more than double the amount of fights.

3) Henry Armstrong – 56-1 (the one loss was a DQ) in 3 years (1936-1939), 19 fights a year

In this streak, Armstrong defeated Petey Sarron to win the only title available in the featherweight division, making himself the true champion. In these days, belt holders like Ortiz and Guerrero did not have the opportunity to falsely call themselves champions. There was only one belt, and if you held it, you were truly the best fighter in the division, and the only champion.

In the same time span, he defeated Ceferino Garcia for the welterweight title, and defended it several times. He defeated the likes of Lou Ambers and Barney Ross, among others, in this streak. In only three years he won titles from 126 to 147, which is 3 classes by those days’ standards, and 5 by today’s. In his entire 18-year career Mayweather has only fought in 5 divisions by today’s standards, due to the addition of super/junior weight classes. In 15 less years than Mayweather, Armstrong climbed as many weight classes and fought 11 more fights.

4) Joe Louis, 34-0 in 12 years (1936-1948), almost 3 fights a year

Out of those 34 fights, 25 of them were title fights. And by title fight, I don’t mean fighting an opponent who holds on to a meaningless belt like Canelo or Ortiz. In Louis’ day, there was only one belt in each class, and only one champion. If you held the title, you were a true champion, not a belt holder like Corrales or Hatton. Think about that for a second. In 11 years, Louis had 25 title fights, and Mayweather only has 46 total fights in 18 years. In SEVEN less years, Joe Louis had more than half as many TITLE fights as Floyd has TOTAL fights.

Before the title, Louis beat the former heavyweight champion Jack Sharkey. He then took the title from Jim Braddock. From there, he avenged his only loss at the time by knocking out Max Schmeling in one round. He also knocked out one of the greatest light heavyweights of all time in Billy Conn, and he did it twice. After a highly disputed decision against one of the greatest pound for pound boxers of all time in Jersey Joe Walcott (while Floyd needed a disputed decision against someone like Castillo), Louis ended up knocking out Walcott in the rematch. This is a perfect example of quality over quantity. Actually, Louis’ record also surpasses Mayweather in quantity, so either way Floyd’s record is destroyed by comparison.

5) Willie Pep, 73-0-1 in 5 years (1943-1948), almost 15 fights a year

In addition to this run, Willie Pep also has a 62-fight win streak. The 74 fight run is full of much more top-level opposition, however. An incredible side note is that Pep suffered injuries in a plane crash in January of 1947. He was told he might not box ever again. Six months later, he was back in the ring and did not lose until over a year later. Meanwhile, Mayweather decided to take an 18 month vacation despite having no serious injuries.

In this run, he defeated two featherweight champions, Sal Bartolo and Chalky Wright, three times apiece. As always, this is when there was only one undisputed champion in each class, magnifying the value of beating a champion. On top of that, he beat top contenders such as Jackie Wilson who have unfortunately been forgotten over the years, making people not realize how great Pep truly was. In only five years, Pep fought 28 more times than Mayweather has in 18, and that’s even with serious injuries sustained from a plane crash.

6a) Sugar Ray Robinson’s first streak, 40-0 in 2 years (1940-1942), 20 fights a year

Walker Smith Jr., Better known as Sugar Ray Robinson, started off his career 40-0. In the first two years of his career he fought almost as many times as Floyd has in 18 years. I am sure many will be quick to falsely claim that Ray Robinson was fighting bums, but that is far from the truth. In his 21st fight, Robinson defeated the lightweight champion Sammy Angott. Again, this was an era where only one belt was available per class, making Angott a legitimate champion rather than a belt holder. Angott would become the first man to defeat Willie Pep, in Willie Pep’s 63rd fight.

A few fights later, Robinson defeated Fritzie Zivic in two consecutive matches. Zivic defeated the likes of Henry Armstrong, listed by many as the second-greatest fighter of all time behind Robinson. Zivic also defeated Charley Burley and Sammy Angott. People who have done their research will understand how great this list of wins is, and the high quality of fighter that Zivic was.

Shortly after that, Robinson came in as a welterweight against one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Jake Lamotta, and defeated him. Robinson started his career at lightweight, and within two years and 40 fights he was already defeating middleweights. Floyd Mayweather also started as a lightweight, but in 18 years and 46 fights he has not fought one middleweight. In two years Robinson accomplished 100 times as much as Mayweather has in 18. That is not a bad thing; it’s just that Robinson is so far ahead of all the truly great fighters, that there is no way a simply good fighter like Mayweather can look good by comparison.

6b) Sugar Ray Robinson’s second streak, 89-0-2 (1 NC) in 8 years (1943-1951), 11.5 fights a year

In this streak, Robinson defeated the much bigger Jake Lamotta four times, a past prime but still good Henry Armstrong, Sammy Angott, George Costner (who defeated the great Ike Williams), Charley Fusari, Bobo Olson, Jose Basora, Kid Gavilan, and a whole list of extremely high quality fighters that would take several lines to list. For Robinson to not lose even once against the greatest competition in boxing history for almost 12 years and 92 fights is just mind-boggling. And we have not even examined the remainder of Robinson’s career. In 11 years, Robinson fought 131 times and only lost once, to a much bigger boxer, the all-time great middleweight Jake Lamotta. To remove any doubt as to who was the better boxer, Robinson decisively defeated Lamotta 5 times. Mayweather lost to a simply solid boxer, an opponent of his own size in Castillo, and only avenged the defeat once.

7) Muhammad Ali, 31-0 in 10 years (1960-1967, and returned in 1970 after a three year suspension), 3 fights a year

Even with a three-year suspension, Muhammad Ali was more active than Mayweathers 2.5 fights a year in 18 years. That is inexcusable. In thirty fights, Ali defeated one of the most dangerous heavyweight champions of all time in Sonny Liston (the second fight may have been suspicious, but Ali was easily winning the first) and the previous champion in Floyd Patterson. Immediately after his 3-year layoff, he took on the top contenders in Jerry Quarry, and Oscar Bonavena. Mayweather after an 18-month vacation decided to have Marquez move up two weight classes, on top of missing weight, before returning to boxing. These 30 fights alone surpass Mayweather’s low quality resume of 18 years, and we have barely entered the halfway point of Ali’s career.

8) George Foreman, 40-0 in 5 years (1969-1974), 8 fights a year

Foreman only has two impressive wins at this stage of his career, but they are far greater than any of the wins on Mayweather’s record. He became the only man to knock out a prime Joe Frazier coming off of handing Ali his first loss. He also knocked out Ken Norton, immediately after Norton had gone 1-1 against Ali, losing the second fight in an extremely razor thin decision. Neither man went past the second round. In 5 years Foreman fought two elite fighters in their prime, the caliber of which Mayweather has never come close to facing in 18 years.

9) Roberto Duran, 41-0 in 7 years (1973-1980), almost 6 fights a year

In this streak, Duran added to his lightweight run to put together arguably the greatest lightweight streak of all time. He defeated Esteban de Jesus in two knockouts after losing to him in an upset earlier. He moved up two weight classes and defeated a very underrated welterweight in Carlos Palomino. From there, he defeated one of the top 3 welterweights of all time in his prime, the undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard. Meanwhile, Floyd only moved up one weight class to fight a washed up Miguel Cotto. And unlike Cotto after the Mayweather fight, Ray Leonard didn’t lose for a long time after his fights with Duran. In 18 years, Mayweather only has 7 more fights than Duran accumulated in 7 years, and against much lower quality competition.

10) Marvin Hagler, 35-0-1 in 10 years (1976-1986), 3.6 fights a year

Marvin Hagler started his run by defeating Willie Monroe, the only man to beat him unanimously, in two stoppages. He also defeated an underrated opponent in Bennie Briscoe. Briscoe had fought Carlos Monzon to a draw, and nearly knocked out Monzon in a rematch for the middleweight title before losing the decision. Hagler also stopped Bobby Watts, who had controversially defeated Hagler to hand him his first loss.

Hagler’s draw against Antuofermo was controversial, as many felt Hagler won, but he removed all doubt when he stopped Antuofermo in the rematch. Hagler also defeated a very underrated opponent in Mustafa Hamsho. In between his two losses to Hagler, Hamsho defeated Wilfred Benitez, and is one of the reasons Benitez’s career spiraled downward shortly after.

Hagler’s biggest wins are his war against Thomas Hearns and his decision against Roberto Duran. These men were moving up in weight, but they went on to fight at even higher weights than Hagler, showing that the disparity in weight was not as great as many think. They only moved up one weight class (154 to 160), not two classes like Marquez did against Mayweather, and Hagler actually made weight for those fights.

Hagler’s streak ended with a highly disputed decision against the great Sugar Ray Leonard, in a fight that is still debated to this day. Floyd, meanwhile, was gifted a disputed decision against a much lower quality opponent in Jose Luis Castillo, in a fight that is not even debatable.

11) Pernell Whitaker – 40-2-1 (both losses and the draw were the results of terrible decisions, meaning Whitaker did not truly lose by that point) in 13 yrs (1984-1997), 3.3 fights a year

Pernell Whitaker’s first “loss” to Ramirez was a robbery decision, and he proved it in the rematch in an easy decision. Whitaker defeated Greg Haugen, Azumah Nelson, was robbed after dominating Julio Cesar Chavez, and defeated Julio Cesar Vasquez (who had just beaten Winky Wright). While a prime Mayweather was fighting a past prime Oscar De La Hoya, (1-3 in his last 4 including the Sturm robbery) a past prime Pernell Whitaker clearly defeated a prime Oscar De La Hoya only for the judges to rob him.

12) James Toney – 44-0-2 in 6 years (1988-1994), over 7 fights a year

James Toney defeated a prime Mike McCallum and stopped the undefeated and underrated Michael Nunn. Nunn was coming off of wins against Sumbu Kalambay and Iran Barkley. Toney also defeated Barkley before losing to one of the greatest modern fighters in Roy Jones, Jr. Toney’s accomplishments after his streak, such as defeating McCallum again on top of his success at heavyweight, being a former middleweight, surpass Floyd’s career easily.

13) Roy Jones, Jr. 49-1 (the one loss was a DQ) in 14 years (1989-2003), 3.6 fights a year

While Mayweather was using his shoulder as an excuse for his loss to Castillo, Roy Jones was too busy beating Bernard Hopkins with a broken right hand. Jones went on to beat the undefeated James Toney, Mike McCallum, avenge his DQ vs the underrated Montell Griffin (coming off two closely contested decisions against James Toney) by a first round KO, Virgil Hill, Eric Harding, Julio Cesar Gonzalez (who went on to defeat (Dariusz Michalczewski) moved up to heavyweight to beat John Ruiz despite starting his career at 154, and even after being washed up due to weight draining, was able to defeat Antonio Tarver in a decision.

After only comparing fighters on the basis of unbeaten streaks, ignoring that there is much more to a great boxer than having a high W-L ratio, we see that on the basis of Mayweather’s own logic there is no way he can consider himself one of the best. A man who fights very undersized, past prime, unproven boxers, paper champions, belt holders, and weak competition over the course of 18 years and only 49 fights to show for it isn’t the definition of greatness. Mayweather has some work to do if he wants to be one of the top 50 fighters in history. The name Floyd Mayweather does not fit in with the likes of Langford, Frazier, Hearns, Leonard, Walcott, Moore, Holyfield, Charles, Hopkins, Lewis, Flowers, Gans, Griffith, Napoles, Monzon, Lamotta, Tunney, Dempsey, Holmes, Fitzsimmons, Gavilan, Olson, Turpin, Angott, Wills, Ike Williams, Saddler and many many more.

that was great! u went back in time.
exept them guys fought 100 cab drivers. back then the money wasnt good so they made it like a 9-5 job. come on u cant do that. and floyds record isnt the best thing about him. if it was all about record, then we would be praising guys like sven ottke or guys like that. floyd simply put, is pernell whitaker mixed with ray leonard.
when floyd was in the lower classes he put guys to sleep. but he was such a star that he was forces Up in weight to fight big names, but still punched hard enuff to keep guys honest in the higher weights. 140-147-154
from 09-12 he fought once a year making his fights like a superbowl every year. them older fighters didnt have that luxery did they.
trust me, floyd didnt cherry pick until he owned his own promotion company and became the A Side. floyd called delahoya out when he was still a fuckin super featherweight lmao. that man aint scared of noone.
he knows his business though

[Krucial Thirteen]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

lmao why didnt she do all that shoot crap vs holly holm? oh i forgot, soon as she did she got countered and rocked. news flash, mayweather is the greatest counter puncher on the planet/greatest hands of all time. are u kidding?
me and roddy aint even that cool and we still keepin it 100.
i see ur point, if ronda wouldve atleast dropped nunes or holm, but she got SCRAPED!!(totally beat up). u cant shoot for takedowns when your opponent is waiting for that.
manny pacquiao barely touched floyd and he has the Fastest hands in the world lol

No, she didn't. She rushed Holly and tried to strike with her. She committed to 1 take down after she was already rocked.

Mayweather greatest hands of all time is a joke. He's a great defensive fighter, I wouldn't even say he's the best counter puncher. He's good at not getting hit.

You can shoot for a takedown when your opponent is waiting for it. I don't know, have you seen combat sports outside of boxing? You think in Judo, wrestling, bjj, they don't know their opponent is going for a takedown? Then proceed to get taken down?

Superiority in grappling, retard. Look at GSP, everyone knew GSP was going to take them down. Did GSP take them down? Of course he did.

You're not keeping it real, you're talking about something you obviously don't know about. You think James Toney didn't know Randy Couture was going to take him down? What happened? Did that magically help Toney defend the takedowns?

james toney? fat ass james toney? i can counter that with ray mercer, but even thats stupid. u are talking about a female, not no gsp.
and u wont find many counter punchers better than floyd. man u need better pieces than that lmao, aint no way holly holm(a woman boxer) is better than floyd. and she waxed ronda. im talking bout holm because thats almost irrefutable proof that ronda dies vs ANY kind of boxer/striker

It's not who that matters. You said you can't shoot on your opponents if they're waiting for that. That's 100% not true. I gave you an example in GSP. You want an example of Ronda doing it? She won all her early fights by arm bar. He opponents knew it was coming, shouldn't they have been able to stop it?

I didn't say you'll find x amount of fighters with better counter punching than Floyd. It's laughable that you're saying definitively he's the best.

I can show you many videos of Ronda tossing men. Can you show me videos of Floyd defending a takedown? Leg kicks? Submissions?

You're giving Floyd one path to victory, that's fine. I get it. Ronda has more tools, with many different ways to win. Could she get knocked out? Sure. Could she take Floyd down and submit him? Sure.

You're missing the point of everything I say. I gave you James Toney as an example, he knew Randy was going to take him down. With your logic he should have stopped that takedown, because he knew it was coming.

It's not about the who or when. It's simply disproving that logic. I gave you an example of multiple sports that would prove that to be false, yet you argued James Toney was fat.

is james toney in good shape with cat like reflexes? fuck no, this aint 1990-1993 when he was the middleweight/sr. middle champ.
i understand your logic. its simple actually, u think bcuz ronda has more tools that she can beat floyd, simple bcuz it seems logical. but we seen ronda vs a boxer, and that fight did NOT go to the ground. my point is, i can almost guarantee that floyds reflexes are sharper than holly holms are. and floyd would also have a tremendous strength advantage indicating even more that the fight diesnt hit the floor, unless its ronda hitting the floor from being knocked out lmao

[CrackFiend Maradona]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

It's called Mixed Martial Arts for a reason

[Moose]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

Why ft are you stuck on James Toney?

Holly isn't "a boxer" Floyd is a boxer, nothing more, nothing less.

Holly is an MMA fighter, she used to box, she also was a kick boxer before becoming an MMA fighter.

That fight didn't go to the ground because Ronda didn't even attempt to get it to the ground until she was rocked already. She tried to knock her out, charging and swinging wildly, idk what Judo you watch, but that's not how you go for takedowns.

[billybobjoe]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

if your ground game average wht fucking use is having high level judo skills

thats like having good wrestling but your opponent better at bjj than you so it becomes useless

[Moose]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

Wrestling >>> BJJ.

[Krucial Thirteen]

Re: Ronda Rousey Is Finished

ronda sucks. theres a blueprint o beat her. give up already
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