Net Neutrality

[Snitch Clique]

Re: Net Neutrality

Here's a way even ekeatroll can understand.

You pay comcast for internet. (like most people here in the US probably)
You go to foxnews.com for your news.
Comcast doesn't want you to get news from there, they want you to get news from MSNBC, NBC, etc...
You only get access to NBC, MSNBC, etc news in your ISP package.
You want fox news? You pay an extra $10 a month for it.
Don't want to pay for it, find another provider.
Oh wait, there are no other providers...

Here's what Goofey can't understand.

Net neutrality was introduced in 2015. Did that happen before that? No? Didn't think so.

Comcast: We're charging for this package and extra for this.
Spectrum: We're offering that, but cheaper!
Verizon: No changes, one flat fee use the internet.

Where do people go?

But muh people that only have one, that's a big incentive for others to provide service for those areas.

Welcome to the free market, dip shit.

The regulations are different now than they were then. But even still, just because they didn't do it before doesn't mean they won't now. The "red tape" that NN created isn't that complex or restricting. There's really no genuine reason to repeal NN. If they don't need the power to be snakes, why are they hell bent on getting it?

As far as free market, it only works when it's not an oligopoly. Just like cell phone plans, they're all pretty close to the same with perks here and there. That's no an accident. All the CEOs meet in closed-door meetings and set that shit up well in advance.

If Comcast wants to charge $10/mo for you to access CNN, Verizon will just charge $10/mo for you to access FOX. They're not competitors, they're golf buddies.

That can be said about anything, only time will tell. As for pretty much the same perks, of course that's not an accident. If you're offering nearly the same services, you're going to have competitive pricing. Why would you severely undercut other companies? Just just barely less is enough for most.

While they may be golf buddies, there's nothing stopping me, right now, from starting an ISP, or you, you even Clarke. The market will settle it all in the end.

You're not wrong, but you and I both know it's not that easy. These companies have already established themselves with local politicians and councils/chambers. I tried to start a marketing agency based out of Denver a little while back and had to back out. I was met with mountains of paperwork and red tape and building regulations and postal issues. A couple of the other agencies in the area made sure I wouldn't even get a local phone number.

It's not impossible to create competition but it's very hard. And having slightly better prices is fine, but what if that slightly better is still 5-10 different internet packages within your internet package? If they all decide to take advantage of their new "freedom" it's still free market, and still fucks us.

I absolutely understand that things could remain exactly as they are, as far as the consumer is concerned. But the potential for fuckery is very real imo.

[Snitch Clique]

Re: Net Neutrality

Netflix won't be affected either way. They're far too big/powerful to be bullied by market power. They'd start their own ISP long before they'd play any of these games. The same can be said about Facebook, Amazon, etc.

[Moose]

Re: Net Neutrality

Here's a way even ekeatroll can understand.

You pay comcast for internet. (like most people here in the US probably)
You go to foxnews.com for your news.
Comcast doesn't want you to get news from there, they want you to get news from MSNBC, NBC, etc...
You only get access to NBC, MSNBC, etc news in your ISP package.
You want fox news? You pay an extra $10 a month for it.
Don't want to pay for it, find another provider.
Oh wait, there are no other providers...

Here's what Goofey can't understand.

Net neutrality was introduced in 2015. Did that happen before that? No? Didn't think so.

Comcast: We're charging for this package and extra for this.
Spectrum: We're offering that, but cheaper!
Verizon: No changes, one flat fee use the internet.

Where do people go?

But muh people that only have one, that's a big incentive for others to provide service for those areas.

Welcome to the free market, dip shit.

The regulations are different now than they were then. But even still, just because they didn't do it before doesn't mean they won't now. The "red tape" that NN created isn't that complex or restricting. There's really no genuine reason to repeal NN. If they don't need the power to be snakes, why are they hell bent on getting it?

As far as free market, it only works when it's not an oligopoly. Just like cell phone plans, they're all pretty close to the same with perks here and there. That's no an accident. All the CEOs meet in closed-door meetings and set that shit up well in advance.

If Comcast wants to charge $10/mo for you to access CNN, Verizon will just charge $10/mo for you to access FOX. They're not competitors, they're golf buddies.

That can be said about anything, only time will tell. As for pretty much the same perks, of course that's not an accident. If you're offering nearly the same services, you're going to have competitive pricing. Why would you severely undercut other companies? Just just barely less is enough for most.

While they may be golf buddies, there's nothing stopping me, right now, from starting an ISP, or you, you even Clarke. The market will settle it all in the end.

You're not wrong, but you and I both know it's not that easy. These companies have already established themselves with local politicians and councils/chambers. I tried to start a marketing agency based out of Denver a little while back and had to back out. I was met with mountains of paperwork and red tape and building regulations and postal issues. A couple of the other agencies in the area made sure I wouldn't even get a local phone number.

It's not impossible to create competition but it's very hard. And having slightly better prices is fine, but what if that slightly better is still 5-10 different internet packages within your internet package? If they all decide to take advantage of their new "freedom" it's still free market, and still fucks us.

I absolutely understand that things could remain exactly as they are, as far as the consumer is concerned. But the potential for fuckery is very real imo.

Absolutely, I know it wouldn't be easy, but if it ever did get truly out of hand, there is much more incentive to push through everything and get it done.

The problem with the package system is the backlash, the profit loss, and the work around. They want me to pay for FOX, you mean just like the UFC wants me to pay for PPV?

If we run into some crazy problems with ISP package deals for the internet and crazy prices, I could start go fund me to start and ISP and have a ridiculous amount of money really fast. I'm sure there's people already working on it.

[Tuna]

Re: Net Neutrality

so did we win or lose ?
bruh I'm so confused idk if winning net neutrality is a good thing or a bad thing

[Snitch Clique]

Re: Net Neutrality

Absolutely, I know it wouldn't be easy, but if it ever did get truly out of hand, there is much more incentive to push through everything and get it done.

The problem with the package system is the backlash, the profit loss, and the work around. They want me to pay for FOX, you mean just like the UFC wants me to pay for PPV?

If we run into some crazy problems with ISP package deals for the internet and crazy prices, I could start go fund me to start and ISP and have a ridiculous amount of money really fast. I'm sure there's people already working on it.

Time will make their intentions clear. I hope that this really is just a way for them to keep "big government" out and to pave the way for innovation.

But with the money these ISPs have dished out to make this happen, and the tech giants that oppose it such as Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak; Vint Cerf, known as the "father of the internet"; Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web; and 19 other technology pioneers who all called the FCC's plan "rushed and technically incorrect...

I'm very very doubtful that this is that innocent.

[MENTION=9094]Tuna[/MENTION], imo we lost, badly. At least for now.

[Tuna]

Re: Net Neutrality

as long as battle rap is free I'm good with net neutrality

[Moose]

Re: Net Neutrality

Absolutely, I know it wouldn't be easy, but if it ever did get truly out of hand, there is much more incentive to push through everything and get it done.

The problem with the package system is the backlash, the profit loss, and the work around. They want me to pay for FOX, you mean just like the UFC wants me to pay for PPV?

If we run into some crazy problems with ISP package deals for the internet and crazy prices, I could start go fund me to start and ISP and have a ridiculous amount of money really fast. I'm sure there's people already working on it.

Time will make their intentions clear. I hope that this really is just a way for them to keep "big government" out and to pave the way for innovation.

But with the money these ISPs have dished out to make this happen, and the tech giants that oppose it such as Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak; Vint Cerf, known as the "father of the internet"; Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web; and 19 other technology pioneers who all called the FCC's plan "rushed and technically incorrect...

I'm very very doubtful that this is that innocent.

[MENTION=9094]Tuna[/MENTION], imo we lost, badly. At least for now.

I'd never say it's innocent everyone has an agenda. Their intentions might be nefarious. I don't think you're wrong, and I think we could run into problems. I think it's a lot of overreaction though. I am confident if there is some fuckery, something better will come out of it.

[Snitch Clique]

Re: Net Neutrality

Absolutely, I know it wouldn't be easy, but if it ever did get truly out of hand, there is much more incentive to push through everything and get it done.

The problem with the package system is the backlash, the profit loss, and the work around. They want me to pay for FOX, you mean just like the UFC wants me to pay for PPV?

If we run into some crazy problems with ISP package deals for the internet and crazy prices, I could start go fund me to start and ISP and have a ridiculous amount of money really fast. I'm sure there's people already working on it.

Time will make their intentions clear. I hope that this really is just a way for them to keep "big government" out and to pave the way for innovation.

But with the money these ISPs have dished out to make this happen, and the tech giants that oppose it such as Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak; Vint Cerf, known as the "father of the internet"; Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web; and 19 other technology pioneers who all called the FCC's plan "rushed and technically incorrect...

I'm very very doubtful that this is that innocent.

[MENTION=9094]Tuna[/MENTION], imo we lost, badly. At least for now.

I'd never say it's innocent everyone has an agenda. Their intentions might be nefarious. I don't think you're wrong, and I think we could run into problems. I think it's a lot of overreaction though. I am confident if there is some fuckery, something better will come out of it.

Well the plus side is that this has caused companies like Virgin, Amazon, Space X to take their satellite internet plans into hyper drive (corny pun alert) with some beta testing to come as early as 2018. That type of innovation could render most ISPs useless.

[Moose]

Re: Net Neutrality

Absolutely, I know it wouldn't be easy, but if it ever did get truly out of hand, there is much more incentive to push through everything and get it done.

The problem with the package system is the backlash, the profit loss, and the work around. They want me to pay for FOX, you mean just like the UFC wants me to pay for PPV?

If we run into some crazy problems with ISP package deals for the internet and crazy prices, I could start go fund me to start and ISP and have a ridiculous amount of money really fast. I'm sure there's people already working on it.

Time will make their intentions clear. I hope that this really is just a way for them to keep "big government" out and to pave the way for innovation.

But with the money these ISPs have dished out to make this happen, and the tech giants that oppose it such as Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak; Vint Cerf, known as the "father of the internet"; Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web; and 19 other technology pioneers who all called the FCC's plan "rushed and technically incorrect...

I'm very very doubtful that this is that innocent.

[MENTION=9094]Tuna[/MENTION], imo we lost, badly. At least for now.

I'd never say it's innocent everyone has an agenda. Their intentions might be nefarious. I don't think you're wrong, and I think we could run into problems. I think it's a lot of overreaction though. I am confident if there is some fuckery, something better will come out of it.

Well the plus side is that this has caused companies like Virgin, Amazon, Space X to take their satellite internet plans into hyper drive (corny pun alert) with some beta testing to come as early as 2018. That type of innovation could render most ISPs useless.

That is definitely a positive, also small business opportunities, less government regulation.

I just think it's completely blown out of proportion.

[Robin Williams]

Re: Net Neutrality

Absolutely, I know it wouldn't be easy, but if it ever did get truly out of hand, there is much more incentive to push through everything and get it done.

The problem with the package system is the backlash, the profit loss, and the work around. They want me to pay for FOX, you mean just like the UFC wants me to pay for PPV?

If we run into some crazy problems with ISP package deals for the internet and crazy prices, I could start go fund me to start and ISP and have a ridiculous amount of money really fast. I'm sure there's people already working on it.

Time will make their intentions clear. I hope that this really is just a way for them to keep "big government" out and to pave the way for innovation.

But with the money these ISPs have dished out to make this happen, and the tech giants that oppose it such as Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak; Vint Cerf, known as the "father of the internet"; Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web; and 19 other technology pioneers who all called the FCC's plan "rushed and technically incorrect...

I'm very very doubtful that this is that innocent.

[MENTION=9094]Tuna[/MENTION], imo we lost, badly. At least for now.

I'd never say it's innocent everyone has an agenda. Their intentions might be nefarious. I don't think you're wrong, and I think we could run into problems. I think it's a lot of overreaction though. I am confident if there is some fuckery, something better will come out of it.

Its not an overreaction for the public to get upset about the government allowing private companies to stomp all over them and even hurt their small time businesses.

[Chaunce]

Re: Net Neutrality

Smh, they already turned my porn off..

horny chaunce bout to be... Horn-gry chaunce

[Robin Williams]

Re: Net Neutrality

Absolutely, I know it wouldn't be easy, but if it ever did get truly out of hand, there is much more incentive to push through everything and get it done.

The problem with the package system is the backlash, the profit loss, and the work around. They want me to pay for FOX, you mean just like the UFC wants me to pay for PPV?

If we run into some crazy problems with ISP package deals for the internet and crazy prices, I could start go fund me to start and ISP and have a ridiculous amount of money really fast. I'm sure there's people already working on it.

Time will make their intentions clear. I hope that this really is just a way for them to keep "big government" out and to pave the way for innovation.

But with the money these ISPs have dished out to make this happen, and the tech giants that oppose it such as Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak; Vint Cerf, known as the "father of the internet"; Sir Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the world wide web; and 19 other technology pioneers who all called the FCC's plan "rushed and technically incorrect...

I'm very very doubtful that this is that innocent.

[MENTION=9094]Tuna[/MENTION], imo we lost, badly. At least for now.

I'd never say it's innocent everyone has an agenda. Their intentions might be nefarious. I don't think you're wrong, and I think we could run into problems. I think it's a lot of overreaction though. I am confident if there is some fuckery, something better will come out of it.

Well the plus side is that this has caused companies like Virgin, Amazon, Space X to take their satellite internet plans into hyper drive (corny pun alert) with some beta testing to come as early as 2018. That type of innovation could render most ISPs useless.

That is definitely a positive, also small business opportunities, less government regulation.

I just think it's completely blown out of proportion.

Okay before u go on a rant attacking my political views let's clear some information u have wrong up



The regulation on the telecom companies is in place to prevent them from controlling the internet.

What does controlling the Internet mean? It means lowering speeds to certain sites or hosts because you feel like it.


How's that affect small business? Well now small business websites like my pizza restaurant are going to need to possibly pay for regular speeds to our business site.

And what about MA and PA websites like otbva or businesses that stream content over the internet? Well like in yhe case of Netflix with verison, the smaller companies will need to pay more just to get adequate service to costumers.



This idea that regulation is inherently bad is retarded. The regulation was there to protect you, me, and businesses.

[Tuna]

Re: Net Neutrality

so if we lose to net neutrality we won't be able to down load torrents and watch bootlegs

[Moose]

Re: Net Neutrality

You’re an idiot, you completely missed what we were talking about.

[Moose]

Re: Net Neutrality

so if we lose to net neutrality we won't be able to down load torrents and watch bootlegs

Don’t believe the scare tactics. Everything will be available, still. That’s the great thing about people on the internet. They will find away to get “illegally”.