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  • #46
    In Switzerland they have mandatory service and afterwards they give you a gun and ammo. This means yhe government trains and arms nearly every citizen.

    the reason why thor gun violence/crime isn't as nearly high isn't because we're all retarded. It's because they have good social programs like healthcare.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ekelon View Post

      Says you...

      which is hilarious
      Good one, dork.

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      • #48
        Here’s something Tadgh’s typical libtard ass WONT tell you

        There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

        • 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
        • 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
        • 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
        • 3% are accidental discharge deaths

        So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
        • 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
        • 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
        • 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
        • 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

        So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

        This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

        Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

        Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

        But what about other deaths each year?
        • 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
        • 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
        • 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

        Now it gets good:
        • 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

        • 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

        So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
        Taking away guns gives control to governments.

        The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

        Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

        So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

        Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."

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        • #49
          You can't even articulate your own thoughts or arguments.

          https://www.reddit.com/r/DebunkThis/...r_because_its/

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Robin Williams View Post
            You can't even articulate your own thoughts or arguments.

            https://www.reddit.com/r/DebunkThis/...r_because_its/
            First it’s someone else’s research, which I posted...I never claimed it to be mine, but the statistics are mostly accurate

            Second, I actually found it on Facebook

            but I guess the default response to logical gun debate opinions/stats is targeting irrelevant shit

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            • #51
              65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws

              stopped reading there. Considering a huge part of common sense gun reform is mental health evaluations, someone suffering from depression or suicidal thoughts would not be able to purchase a firearm. Thus you can't possibly say with any confidence that these suicides "would never be prevented by gun laws".

              Better luck next time.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by ekelon View Post

                First it’s someone else’s research, which I posted...I never claimed it to be mine, but the statistics are mostly accurate
                If you specifically wanted us to know it's someone elses research then why didnt you provide a cite or at least put it in quotation marks.


                You're a fucking clown. @Tagdh when will the block system be back in place?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Snitch Clique View Post
                  65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws

                  stopped reading there. Considering a huge part of common sense gun reform is mental health evaluations, someone suffering from depression or suicidal thoughts would not be able to purchase a firearm. Thus you can't possibly say with any confidence that these suicides "would never be prevented by gun laws".

                  Better luck next time.
                  Do you think the majority of those suicide by gun cases happened with a mentally unstable person buying a gun and then shooting themselves right after? Have you even dealt with suicide in your family? If so, you’d know how ignorant that argument is considering those people are normal people with bad shit happening to them down the road in life. Those people wanted to die and would have one way or the other.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Robin Williams View Post

                    If you specifically wanted us to know it's someone elses research then why didnt you provide a cite or at least put it in quotation marks.


                    You're a fucking clown. @Tagdh when will the block system be back in place?
                    I ain’t gotta do a fuckin thing considering you hardly ever cite anything you regurgitate from your biased ass sources.

                    Also dead af at you pretending to want to block me considering I’m one of the 3 fucking people here that gives your dumbass attention

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ekelon View Post

                      Do you think the majority of those suicide by gun cases happened with a mentally unstable person buying a gun and then shooting themselves right after? Have you even dealt with suicide in your family? If so, you’d know how ignorant that argument is considering those people are normal people with bad shit happening to them down the road in life. Those people wanted to die and would have one way or the other.
                      They don't want to die they just want change. Majority of people who think about suicide do not commit suicide. Having a gun enables someone to easily and painlessly kill themselves which is very appealing to someone who wishes to end their suffering. So you could be a totally off the rockers person but if you have a gun then you're far more likely to attempt and succeed in suicide.

                      Tag's point is you cannot say for certain suicide deaths would not be prevent by gun laws. Without a doubt successful suicide rates would decline if nobody had access to weapons as easily. You are trying to dismiss the fact having a gun near or accessible to you increases the likelihood you will use it.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Robin Williams View Post

                        They don't want to die they just want change. Majority of people who think about suicide do not commit suicide. Having a gun enables someone to easily and painlessly kill themselves which is very appealing to someone who wishes to end their suffering. So you could be a totally off the rockers person but if you have a gun then you're far more likely to attempt and succeed in suicide.

                        Tag's point is you cannot say for certain suicide deaths would not be prevent by gun laws. Without a doubt successful suicide rates would decline if nobody had access to weapons as easily. You are trying to dismiss the fact having a gun near or accessible to you increases the likelihood you will use it.
                        You don’t know what they want or their situations. For you to pretend that you do, to make a point about gun control, is morbid.

                        There’s absolutely no solution to what you’re saying except for a background check being able to predict the future of that individual.

                        So...you’re going to just outright ban legal gun ownership over a “what if” situation? Is there any research over the suicides being with a legally owned weapon?

                        Maybe you should ban vehicles, water hoses, and garages for that matter...since literally everyone owns those.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by ekelon View Post

                          You don’t know what they want or their situations. For you to pretend that you do, to make a point about gun control, is morbid.

                          There’s absolutely no solution to what you’re saying except for a background check being able to predict the future of that individual.

                          So...you’re going to just outright ban legal gun ownership over a “what if” situation? Is there any research over the suicides being with a legally owned weapon?

                          Maybe you should ban vehicles, water hoses, and garages for that matter...since literally everyone owns those.
                          There is a solution, it's called social welfare and gun control. Gun control does not equate to repealing the 2nd amendment.


                          That is a narrative propagated by politicians and corporate media pundits to please the interests of the NRA and associated arms manufacture & dealers. As long as people feel that their right to bear arms is in question then they will vote for whoever says they won't take their guns away. The politicians then are afraid to even propose legislation that could save peoples lives. Like banning rapid fire modifications to semi-automatics. In fact, they do the exact opposite and repeal previous regulations which is a double win for them because they please their donors/advertisers, and they get to keep a few votes. You appear to delusional to even grasp the complexity of this so I doubt you'll understand what you just read.

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                          • #58
                            Here ekelon watch this video I'm sure you'll like it.

                            https://youtu.be/QEFkHr9MkXg


                            Now as long as this guy engaged with his kids and makes sure they have a goal or something in life to do, then they'll be extremely responsible gun owning citizens. Keep them out of negative influence and educate them on those negative influences and they'll be great citizens.


                            However this is how most Americans are

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlXeNC-9BI


                            In america we do not train our citizens on how to use weapons properly. And we have piss poor social welfare programs for the mentally ill. To get a gun all you have to do is ask someone over the internet to sell you theres. No registration, no paperwork, no background check, nothing. Even when we buy guns from a reputable salesmen, there is still little regulation let alone course of training.


                            So answer me this, how would you feel about gun training in Schools, like they do in ROTC? How about having every gun owner have to take a test / training to educate them on how to respect and use a firearm. How about artificially raising the prices of ammo and restricting sales over certain volumes. All of these are comprehensive ideas that could help prevent the increasing rate of mass shootings and school shootings.

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                            • #59
                              Also before you go make another incoherent delusional post that dismisses or ignores everything I just said, take a look at this.
                              https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-...land-shooting/


                              Just further proof you playing identity politics is leading to the downfall of this country. In a sense you're committing treason if you're unwilling to understand and have an intellectual conversation about weapon regulation.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Robin Williams View Post
                                Also before you go make another incoherent delusional post that dismisses or ignores everything I just said, take a look at this.
                                https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-...land-shooting/


                                Just further proof you playing identity politics is leading to the downfall of this country. In a sense you're committing treason if you're unwilling to understand and have an intellectual conversation about weapon regulation.
                                I’m not going to read your past 2 posts if you’re going to write off my posts as incoherent or delusional. They absolutely made sense, you’re just unwilling to accept them.

                                A gun is a tool. A life is a life. If someone wants to hang themselves, they do it. Don’t blame a tool behind a persons actions, especially when it’s not the only tool being used in these situations. It’s fucking stupid...

                                I’m 100% certain that if that dumbass in Florida ran over those kids in a car, we wouldn’t be talking about vehicles. It’s all political and you retards buy right into it.

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